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Mauritania Debate

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Mauritania Debate

Postby Florianus on Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:44 pm

Senater Manius Vibenius Decentius speaks;

"The situation in Western Mauritania seems to be spiralling out of control once again with private and imperial legions clashing. I suggest we move Legio II Septem out of Septem proper and to Mogador in Southern Mauritania, where instead of fighting their imperial brothers they can kill Berber pirates"
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Postby Castor Augustus Servo on Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:20 pm

Consul Cicero stood to speak looking towards Senator Decentius...

"My dear Senator Decentius it is not this bodies progative to resolve military matters, we have no authority in that area, that authority lies with the Emperor. I suggest you request an audiance with the Emperor himself."

Cicero eyed Senator Decentius as to say this discussion will not go any further.
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Postby Florianus on Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:15 pm

Senater Manius Vibenius Decentius speaks;

"Perhaps it is time the Senate take a tune to discussing matters, if not to air our concerns rather then to dictate orders."
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Postby Castor Augustus Servo on Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:23 pm

Consul Cicero Julianus stood again...

"Are you sugesting that the Emperor should curtail his personal responsibility to defend his subjects. The Senate does not have the power of the by gone era's. We administer the Empire and our Emperor defends it what better partnershi can you have. Perhaps the military procurator can be present in these discussions."

Consul Julianus sat down.
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Postby Florianus on Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:27 pm

Senator Manius Vibenius Decentius chuckles.

"You've changed Cicero! Where is the man who fought bandits in Corsica with myself and Florianus the Great. Where is the man who stood up against the might of Emperor Raeus and the Roman Empire when everyone stood against Hispania. Damnit man I'm only asking that you talk about Mauritania..."
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Postby Castor Augustus Servo on Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:40 pm

Cicero stood sadenned by the remark...

"Senator, I have changed, but so has Rome, I fought for Hispania for its rights to be citizens, of which it deserved. I ask as your consul to allow the Emperor his right to deal with the issue at hand which is a military issue."

Cicero paused looking Decentius straight in he eye...

"My friend we are here to administer the empire, the Emperor I have no doubt will deal with the issue, what I will discuss is what we are going to do to ensure that this issue does not arise again."

Cicero still stood waiting for the reply from Decentius.
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Postby ~*KING-SAVAGE*~ on Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:41 pm

Senator Castus stands.

"Senator Decentius is right honored consul. We may be the administrators of the empire but if we do not discuss the issues that threaten us not only via administrative issues but also militaristic, how are we expected to continue running the empire effectively?

With respect consul, as soon as an issue gains a military edge it does not become a forbidden topic...we of these halls know this. In any case, it is the senate's duty to raise these issues and where required, bring them to the emperors attention if deemed so necessary. That is...assuming he is not already aware of such situation."
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Postby Florianus on Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:50 pm

Senator Manius Vibenius Decentius spoke again;

"Out of respect for the soldiers who died under us in Hispania, I will not debate you in this hall."

He sat down back down in a sombre mood.
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Postby Dragon on Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:50 am

Senator Quintus stood quickly and raised his hands in a pacifying manner.

"Honored Consols and fellow Senators, it is no secret that I myself was in Septem not all that long ago serving under the now Proconsular Legate Tiberius Maxus.

I have recieved correspondence from the city and I have been assured that there is no fighting between Legio II Septem and the Imperial forces. On the contrary, the General Maxus has ordered these men to co-operate with any Imperial troops for they are now in the service of the Empire, like himself.

Legio II Septem, the last I heard, was garrisoning the city and patrolling the north of Southern Mauritania. I am more than happy to answer any questions anyone here may have regarding the issue and I offer my services in resolving any trouble should it arise."

His piece said, Quintus sat down again.
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Postby JayMichaelBecker on Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:15 pm

Consular Cassius Ispius rose to speak. He said, with all of the old guard listening intently, "It wasn't that long ago when private forces were without a question banned from existence. Any man found in control over a legion would have been considered a criminal, and subject to exile, or execution."

He paused and looked toward both Consules, both known to be friends of Carus Florianus Julianus. "It is my understanding that neither the legion in question, nor the legions used by Carus Florianus Julianus against the Persians are technically private- but clearly there is a thin line being walked, and I still adamantly feel any legion wielded by any other than he who is granted Imperium through the Emperor is a criminal for holding private forces- and even then, if the unit isn't Consular or Imperial in nature, the holder should be criminalized still."

"As for Mauritania, it is my understand that you, Consul Julianus, sent Senator Flavianus down to determine the situation within Cyrene- perhaps he can be secondly tasked with travelling to Carthage before returning to Rome, and meet with the Proconsul to clarify the situation for us. Or, even more simply, either of you Consules could write the Proconsul and ask for a briefing of his term. Since neither of last term's Consules took terms as Proconsul- Rimilius my brother passing away and the Emperor Julius Vitellius retiring, both the Proconsul of Africa Publius Tacitus Julianus and the Proconsul of Greco-Macedonia are eligible for second terms."
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