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Anybody ever read him?

I just read the last book in his 191 series or whatever, it was the first one I read. It is fucking AWESOME! He writes this really long story about how history would have gone if the south was the Civil War. Man, its fracking crazy, we would go on to have three more! And in the end, we drop three A-Bombs on their sorry asses.

Oh, and no Hitler so no holocaust, instead the SCA 'reduced the population' of African-Ameros. But they got A-Bombs up the ass for it. I highly recommend. The writer even uses real figures, like Patton is a lead CSA General, Custer won the 'great war' aka WWI for the North. FDR is not pres but deputy sec of defense. Dougy Mac is a dumbass general... Kaisers still rule Germany in the 1940s and the Tsars beat off the commie revolution.

Its great.

Sure haven't, but it sounds pretty fun.

If anything, the inability of a united... United States... would help the Commies win over the Imperialists.

well... I think no US in WW1 would have changed the shape of the world before Commies even became an issue.

Think of it like this.

WW1 happened without the US's presence. And while the US wasnt the sole reason for the victory, the win is attributed to their man power (though at this time they lacked equipment and skill that they would have had in later wars). So no USA, means that Imperial Germany and Austria-Hungary would have won. But do we even know WHAT they wanted out of that war? were they after all of Europe? Or just a few specific locations?

WW2 happened only because of the peace that was enforced on the defeated Germany. So since Germany didnt lose WW1, WW2 would have been vastly different had it occured.

Did the communists in Russia rise as a result of the realization durring WW1 how far the world was developing ahead of them? Or was their rise entirely unrelated? If we assume unrelated, which is likely eaiser as it at least keeps the world somewhat close to the one we know, then WW2 is possible between Soviet Russia and the combined German and Austrian-Hungarian Empires. Japan and Asian, uninvolved in WW1, would have gone as they did, albeit unaligned to a Nazi German state. The USA, having focused on their own never ending civil war, I can't see them as having occupied Hawaii, but if they have, can someone correct me?

But a divided USA would not be able to stand against Japan, even if they do re-commit the mistake of Pearl Harbour. And after the USA's development, I doubt the UK would have ever allowed Canada, India, Australia/New Zealand, their african holdings, or the islands to have gained independance, so likely the world would have ended up divided between the UK's empire, the Russian Empire, and a united German/Austria-Hungary before long. Chances are, the UK would have taken back whichever side of hte USA that it wasnt allied with (the north I believe?) via violence.

The cold war would never have ensued, unless it was between the German/Austrian Europe and Russia. BUT more likely, those two forces wouldn't have engaged in a cold war, but endless minor skirmishing untill outright warefare re-erupted. Communism itself, in the presence of no cold war, would have done alot better (as the main reason Communism is attributed to failing is the amount of money put into matching US achievements like the space program, missle program, etc) and likely it would not have collapsed.

The world would have been a much differnt.. and prehaps on some levels, better place.

I for one, would have moved to a soviet russia long ago.

Hello Nick. Are you answering emails or ICQ messages?

The Austro-Hungarian Empire was constantly in a state of suck. It suffered from Spanish 'sick man of Europe' syndrome ever since its conception, only worse. The Balkans are still pretty fucked up... They were lagging behind the rest of the developed world in industrial power, they commanded a large and highly divided populace, and when Franz Joseph died, they really didn't have any strong Hapsburg leaders to continue the line... Vienna was screwed either way. Either by simply being gobbled up by Russia or ultimately partitioned up by Berlin and Rome, or falling into inner dissent any rioting, they would've eventually succumbed to 'worst European Empire to ever exist' disease...

The United States isn't attributed as the factor for victory in World War One... Sure, we put the idea of boatloads of fresh American troops into the European theater into the Kaiser's mind, but that wasn't really the reason that it was ultimately ended. Why do you think the terms of the Treaty of Versailles were so shitty? World War One was in a virtual deadlock, the world was introduced to the devastation of the Spanish Influenza, and the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks were battling it out in Russia. World War One would've ended in a similar fashion even if the United States wouldn't have gotten involved... ESPECIALLY if the United States hadn't of gotten involved...

Keep in mind that during the period of the Russian Revolution, the United States and British governments both had contingents of their armies in Russia, supporting White Army Imperialists and anti-Communists. If we hadn't been there to secure railways, ports, and serve as a basic roadblock to try and rally up support for the Mensheviks, the Bolsheviks would've just been able to take over faster. Brest-Litovsk wasn't a stable peace by any means, and Russia and Germany would've been fighting in some capacity simply because Germans have a strange necessity to push the envelope with Russia, then ultimately get like 90 million crappy Russian conscripts shoved down their throat.

This is all assuming that World War One would've occurred in the first place. Hopefully this book outlines the consequences of not having Theodore Roosevelt there to establish a peace between the Russians and the Japanese... and everything else that TR did that changed the world. Instead of a World War One, you'd probably still have the Imperial powers continuing to contest for colonial possessions in Asia, Africa, and the Americas... Plus you'd have Europe bum rushing Japan once they beat Russia, simply because no one wants the Japanese to start dictating terms to European powers in regards to their colonial interests in Asia...

Jay, sorry man, didnt get an email. Double checking now. But I replied to the ICQ which I finaly got a chance to turn on.

Ben.. damn, good points made. Things that I never learned here in Canadian secondary education (which just does a basic outline of that time period, not a detailed analysis).

All of this I've been using as ideas for a Civilization 3 scenario.. as I've gotten bored of the same old WW1, WW2 and cold war scenarios... and WW3 scenarios have a habbit of locking up my computer. lol. Its just a pity the territory system, and the diplomacy systems are so poor. There IS a scenario based on Turtledoves books I beleive, but from reviews, its far from the best.

I read a similar alternative history series once. Can't remember the author or the series name but the books followed the title-likes of "In the Balance", "Tilting the Balance" etc.

It takes place during World War 2 while they're Germany/England etc. are still fighting in Africa. Then aliens invade.

It's pretty cool.

Sav.