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EeeThree · Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 102

Ok I'm not allowed to post in the senate forum since I'm not of senatorial rank... I'm only a legate, but since hte conversation went OOC, I was going to pipe in with a detail in the propsoal that everyone seems to be missing.

The propsoal isnt CREATING the units, since some people are arguing that the regions already have forces. Of course they do, these units ALREADY exist.

This propsoal is intended to take control, and funding of these units from the locals, and make these police forces imperial controlled and funded. This means the empire controls the police forces, and not the locals. It also means that the local economies, which in border provinces like this is already very slim and easily drained, is no longer carrying the burden of paying for these units which ensure order, a very order that benefits the empire at large.

I've noticed this with several of the most recent propsoals... misunderstandings of what is being proposed, and people argue against something because of the misunderstanding. This proposal is only officializing what exists, not making anything new.

And finaly.. is officializing even a word? OK I'm done.
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Toxico · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:41 am Post subject:

That's what I've been trying to say since the beginning, the Vitelii have done much for the region and their funds have made the stability of the region possible.

Should Rome keep the burden of Belgican stability with the Vitelii?
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EeeThree · Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 102

Well as legate, I'm based out of Germania Belgica, so I am literaly on the front lines with all these issues that I've seen voted down for the north, and it seems the predominant reason they are voted down, is misunderstanding the actual wording of many of the proposals.

Ask Phil, I put a dent in my desk with my forehead over the title and powers for MariwhateverIcouldneverspellhernameanyways BOTH times it was up for vote becuase of the never ending misinterpretations of it.

Now I know full well that none of our players are dumb. BUT its common that when we read such long proposals, we skim, hell I do that with proposals and scenarios as well. But this means we will MISS alot of information. If we got to hear these proposals, like the actual Senators of Rome did, then we'd be less inclined to miss these details.

its things situations like this, that I wish I was a Senator again, and not a Legate. Although dont get me wrong, I am LOVING my character development (which will throw good old Conservative Tet through the roof if I ever show up on his radar, I look forward to that drama... I wanna be the next person to break his nose. teehee)
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Wra7hofAchilles · Deity Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 140 Location: Chicago, IL

EeeThree · Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 102

yeah but its annoying when I have to post my OOC comments on issues here, and sending letters to be read to the senate either has to go through SS (for some reason, my letters to SS end up sitting around for 2 real weeks or so before processing, even when marked time sensative.. you guys need more help. lol).... or through a player senator, which is the better option. of course, never having BEEN to rome, I dont know any senators... lol
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JOM · Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 151

Hmm... Senators misinterpret or selectively interpret a proposal? Sounds like politics as usual to me!

In other words, there may be IC reasons for skewing the presentation of a proposal. I agree that OOC factors also come into play, however, which is one reason why I insist on a specific Senatus-Consultum formula. In the "old days," the actual orders of the Senate were mixed with expressions of personal opinion, arguments, praise, etc. Now, we try to cluster the commentary in the Introduction and put ONLY the real provisions of the proposal (aka what the Senate is ORDERING) in the Senatus-Consultum section.

As for your material being overlooked, Nick, have you tried the RESUB approach? Check it out here:

http://www.schliffer.com/scenariowiki/index.php?title=SecretScenarios_Emails

Special IC money-making ventures tend to languish when we get busy, but we rarely overlook (on a long-term basis) important material that involves politicking, or simple instructions such as direct money transfers (unless there are concerns of OOC Rules violations).
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EeeThree · Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 102

lol I just used hte Resub email tag actualy. an NPC submission I put in a month ago got lost, and the npcs havent been made yet. I figured a month is agood wait period for it since I'm not in a rush, and you guys have been understaffed and busy. I'm patient. Sorta. lol
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Florianus · Joined: 21 Jan 2008 Posts: 32 Location: Sydney, Australia

Come on Belgica is so over militarized, it doesn't need more government funded troops. Lets put some focus and troops into the eastern provinces where we actually have an organized enemy. Its not like the Vitelii in Belgica are lacking funds anyway Wink

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Florianus · Joined: 21 Jan 2008 Posts: 32 Location: Sydney, Australia

JayMichaelBecker · Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 69 Location: Olympia, Washington

We all know this is about Phils overcompensating for lost glory during his player days anyway... Razz

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EeeThree · Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 102

LOL....

Naaaa. He's just out to make waves and watch how we all respond. Seriously, you should see the contets of our discussions. They are pretty much "so whatcha think they'll say about this?" "oh, the usual, Tet will try and have you hanged, everyone else will sit there scratching their balls"
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JayMichaelBecker · Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 69 Location: Olympia, Washington

The problem isn't that Val is a bad guy. I don't think he is, and IC if I were playing I feel as if I wouldn't think he is... BUT, he's set himself up in such a way that any act of defiance even remotely interpreted as an act against his person would result in a lockdown of the north and the pretense of civil war.

It's either, 'let me be' or 'fight me'... and while I am sure we GMs could be assaulted with blame for letting the brilliant and beautiful Phil elevate himself this far, it really comes down to the players. There is a certain amount of apathy, or lack of initiative, AND dare I say it, cooperation running around the game these days.

If Val were around two years ago OOC, he would have been gone by now. This Belgic Cohortes proposal would have been burned in effigy. My beloved Tullians would have been picked off one by one for supporting him. Both Septimus and Daia would have been mocked and socially despised for submitting to him.

That's what I think. Richard Coyle.
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Wra7hofAchilles · Deity Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 140 Location: Chicago, IL

Well... two years ago... the Senate had more backbone...

And what do you mean by cooperation?
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JayMichaelBecker · Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 69 Location: Olympia, Washington

I am giving myself a wide margin of error here, but there doesn't seem to be as much inter-character cooperation these days. Senators rarely convene privately, there are few-to-no plots going on and... yeah. I am not saying these current PC's aren't good, many of your are, but there is a stronger sense of 'me me me' instead of 'goal goal goal'. That's what I mean by 'cooperation'.
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bovine · Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 19 Location: Seattle, Washington

Where's my money?!?!

That's a...goal!
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